Obama VS. Cambridge police dept.

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[[BDS] DEADMAN]

July 16th a guy was arrested by the cambridge police who responded to a phone call from a woman stating she saw 2 black men trying to force their way into a house.  The guy was trying to force his way into his own house, but to anyone Im sure that would appear like they are trying to break in.  The police showed up and asked for ID from the man, a Harvard scholar named Henry Louis Gates Jr.  The man was charged with disorderly conduct after police said he yelled at the arresting officer, accused him of racial bias and refused to calm down after Sgt. Crowley, the cop who arrested him, demanded Gates show him identification to prove he lived in the home. The charge was dropped Tuesday, but Gates has demanded an apology, calling his arrest a case of racial profiling.

Now the Cambridge police are demanding an apology from the president who stated the cambridge police acted "stupidly" and also stated that "there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately, and that's just a fact."

If anything, I think Obama should have stayed the hell out of it.  Everybody knows that if a cop is asking you for ID, just show it to them, esp.  in that situation.  the cops couldve been out of there in 5 minutes if he would of said " heres my ID, this my house."  It seems that anytime a white cop does something like this, the black community declares racism because its a white cop doing the arresting.  As far as Obama and his history of blacks and mexicans getting stopped, I can only suggest that they dug their own graves by causing a 'disproportionate' amount of crime.  Its exactly the same when it comes to war.  In Iraq we knew that not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists that we dealt with were muslim.  All that did was make it worse for everyone because we didnt know who was a bad guy and who wasnt, it wasnt racial hatred!  Im sorry if I offend anyone, thats not the point of my post, Im just upset with Obama that he made this a national racial issue when clearly its not, at least not in a realistic sense.  The cops followed standard procedure in arresting someone who was not cooperating.   anybody think differently?

[[BDS] Gurney (BEER)]

Yeah Boston!!!


I don't really have anything clever to say (not that I usually do.  )

[[BDS] The Desert Rat]

Deadman, you are absolutey right.  The President of the United States should have more important things to worry about. He should be focusing more on the economy and the stability of the country, rather than stating his opinion on an everyday case of a mistaken arrest of a black man from a white police officer.  Mistakes happen, and with the position that the President is in, he should realize that he shouldn't comment on racial issues, because one that finds something racist, is having racial point-of-views. This is just an opinion of mine.

[[BDS] ElephantRider]

The cops followed standard procedure in arresting someone who was not cooperating. 

I think that's crap, as soon as Gates showed his ID and proved that he actually lived there then the cops should wish him a nice day and GTFO no matter how poorly Gates chose to act in their presence. While I don't think there's any merit at all to his claims of racism, it's definitely a "contempt of cop" charge that he was hauled in on and that is bullshit. As for Obama's remark, he was asked a question and answered it. Since most of us here are white, we will never have the pleasure of being pulled over for a DWB stop. 

[[BDS] The Rock]

I dont understand why this got so much play.  Fucking white house press corps shoulda been grilling him about the details of his HealthCare bill (which is what the press conference was for).  He answered the question.  Gates is using this as a soapbox for racial profiling even though he is clearly at fault.  Why the fuck wouldn't he just show his ID when they asked for it the first time?  How is that unreasonable?  Fuck that.  While they never shoulda arrested him (EVEN THOUGH THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED), I gotta sympathize with the cops having to deal with someone so belligerent. 

Everybody should go back to focusing on the real issues.  Like who Murdered Michael Jackson.  jeez.   

[RadioMan]

Sorry...While Gates IS a respected Harvard Scholar/Professor, he just made the incident worse by over-reacting.  While I'm not sure why the took him in after he FINALLY told them who he was and showed I-D, he started in right away with the racist rhetoric.  It is TOTALLY his fault he was taken in.  Is it fair?  Maybe not, but if you argue with the police, shit is going to happen.  If he had just cooperated, it would've been over in 5 minutes...

However, Boston certainly has earned its place as possibly the largest racist city in the country...just ask Jim Rice, former Red Sox player...or ask Pumpsie Green, the first black Red Sox player in 1958!!!! Robinson broke the color barrier in 1947...Boston has always had a lot of race issues, which is ironic because the city was basically built by the Irish, who suffered the racist views of New York in the 1800s.

Obama?  Should've kept his mouth shut. 

[[BDS] ElephantRider]

he started in right away with the racist rhetoric. 

It's too bad he did that because on the surface it could have been used to expose how "disturbance" charges and shit like that are being loosely used as a way to arrest people just because they stand up to cops. Now he just sounds ridiculous and vindictive, another Sharpton.

[[BDS] DEADMAN]

The cops followed standard procedure in arresting someone who was not cooperating. 

I think that's crap, as soon as Gates showed his ID and proved that he actually lived there then the cops should wish him a nice day and GTFO no matter how poorly Gates chose to act in their presence. While I don't think there's any merit at all to his claims of racism, it's definitely a "contempt of cop" charge that he was hauled in on and that is bullshit. As for Obama's remark, he was asked a question and answered it. Since most of us here are white, we will never have the pleasure of being pulled over for a DWB stop. 

they would have left if he wouldnt have flown off the handle.  After they got him to show his ID, thats when the real fireworks started, hence the arrest.  Either way, this has been blown way out of proportion, and heres why:  Obama was looking for anything he could to distract Americans from this bullshit healthcare bill they are desparately trying to pass before the recess.  I side with the cops on this one and even more so after I heard Obamas rebuttle today. 

[[BDS] spidermite]

The cops followed standard procedure in arresting someone who was not cooperating. 

Since most of us here are white, we will never have the pleasure of being pulled over for a DWB stop. 

No sir but on the flip side, My mother and Auntie were pulled over a block away from our house in Downtown Stockton for being "too white to be driving in this neighborhood."After seeing their I.D.s they were let go no search or anything, and they were holding.
So racism still does run rampant in some police deptartments, no question about it in my eyes. 

[[BDS] The Rock]

The cops followed standard procedure in arresting someone who was not cooperating. 

I think that's crap, as soon as Gates showed his ID and proved that he actually lived there then the cops should wish him a nice day and GTFO no matter how poorly Gates chose to act in their presence. While I don't think there's any merit at all to his claims of racism, it's definitely a "contempt of cop" charge that he was hauled in on and that is bullshit. As for Obama's remark, he was asked a question and answered it. Since most of us here are white, we will never have the pleasure of being pulled over for a DWB stop. 

they would have left if he wouldnt have flown off the handle.  After they got him to show his ID, thats when the real fireworks started, hence the arrest.  Either way, this has been blown way out of proportion, and heres why:  Obama was looking for anything he could to distract Americans from this bullshit healthcare bill they are desparately trying to pass before the recess.  I side with the cops on this one and even more so after I heard Obamas rebuttle today. 

I can't believe I'm even wading into this:  but the press corps asked him the UNRELATED question point blank, and he made an on-the-fly comment about his friend.  I'd usually side with my friends if you put on the spot, even if I didn't know all the facts.  Period.  There's no "wave the left hand so they don't see what in the right hand" going on with this story.

If you're looking for a distraction/sleight of hand story, look no further than the news he released about Federal Education funding... he's moving to a less touchy subject that might get traction in order to take the heat off the Healthcare bill.  This whole story about Gates is just being pushed by Obama detractors looking for more mud to sling at him.  Its a non-story at best, and guy jumping to conclusions about his friend/colleague at worst.  And racism has nothing to do with the story, even though Obama and Gates ("stupidly") dragged it into that realm.      

[Brock Samson]

i dont get it, there are soo many african-americans are racisit against each other, and when they do it, its fine? then a white comes in and says, pardon my french, "NIGGAS!" then the whole african- americans get all pissed off. WTF??!!!??! dude were all different on the outside but on the inside we're the same. i mean dam! were u like i dont know even listening to dr. king?? if king came out of a coma right now, he'd be really/super pissed. oh ya that brings me to my next quistion... why is the crime rate higher for african americans?? hmmm?

[[BDS] spidermite]

i dont get it, there are soo many african-americans are racisit against each other, and when they do it, its fine? then a white comes in and says, pardon my french, "NIGGAS!" then the whole african- americans get all pissed off. WTF??!!!??! dude were all different on the outside but on the inside we're the same. i mean dam! were u like i dont know even listening to dr. king?? if king came out of a coma right now, he'd be really/super pissed. oh ya that brings me to my next quistion... why is the crime rate higher for african americans?? hmmm?

I grew up in a predominantly African-American side of town and I never  ever  had an incident when I said that word. Not that I said it everyday or anything but sometimes you'll be hanging out wrenching on a car or whatever and the word slips out, and like I said not one of my friends so much as batted an eyelash to it.
and the second question is pretty simple a lot of African-Americans live in parts of town where crime is the norm. While growing up everday you step out your house you see people getting stabbed, women selling their bodies and people smoking rock, eventually you become descensitised to it and feel it's just part of life. The European kids that live there commit just as many crimes there is just less of them to get busted.So, it comes down to circumstance.  I could be wrong just a personal observation.

[[BDS] ElephantRider]

they would have left if he wouldnt have flown off the handle.  After they got him to show his ID, thats when the real fireworks started, hence the arrest.  

That's crap dude, he was in his own house and showed his ID proving it was his house to the police. After that they should have been on their way no matter how much he yelled at them. If the cops tried to arrest me in my house after I proved I lived there I would flip my shit too. I don't support his claims of racism but his home is his castle and the cops shouldn't have arrested him in it since they were the reason he was flipping out in the first place.  

[[BDS] DEADMAN]

either way, the cops stated they wanted to make sure no one else was in the house and he "according to police records" threatened the cops saying you dont know who you are messing with and we will talk to yo momma outside after he was asked to step outside.  I will wait for the tapes for teh call before I say anything else.  Now obama has invited both the arresting cop and gates to the WH!!!

[[BDS] ElephantRider]

The dude proved he lived in the house, if he wants the cops out then they need to leave. Cops have too much power over us to be considered public servants anymore, people need to take their rights back. Since it was just some random person on the street that called the cops and not someone actually inside the house, once he proved it was his house and doesn't want them there it's time for the cops to go, they have no right to just search the place after that point.