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[[BDS] Killer]

Holy shit. A bunch of collage kids party in the streets and all of a sudden its the american people are pussies. Some of the familys of 9/11 as well as many others are entitled to some relief but the threat isnt gone. We've cut off one head and one more will grow in its place. The media wants us to be scared thats for damn sure just look at there reaction after the fact. All they were worried about was reprisals. Personally im glad hes dead one way or the other. That doesnt mean im going to party it up. It means that the figure head weve been chasing for 10 years is finally gone. But now we have bigger fish to fry so celebrate if you want but im focusing on the fact that the middles east is on fire and being taken over by muslim extremists who beat american journalists and rape woman in there "peaceful youth protests" in tunisia and eqypt and now we are supplying and aiding rebebls in libya who may be connected to terrorist groups. OBL is dead and thats great but we have much bigger problems.

[[BDS] Kagenin]

I kind of grapple with the notion that this is (or is even supposed to be) a "christian" nation.  Events like this prove that we are not - Jesus taught us to forgive those who wrong wish ill towards you.  Not that I claim to be, but it irks me when people don't actually follow what they say they believe.

This whole thing reminds me of the epically awesome what-if episode of The Boondocks where "what if MLK survived his assassination but was put into a 40 year coma instead," was the premise.  Great episode.

[[BDS] spidermite]

Good riddance.

The only thing that actually bothers me about all of this, other than the media glorification that I have learned to ease with booze over the past 10 years, is dude was in Pakistan right next to all the nuclear weapons that we were there to keep him and his cohorts and those who operated along the same lines as him , from getting near. Thats it thats why we hang out in Pakistan so much, yet here he is in Pakistan. The whole thing boggles my mind especially considering the entire government stucture of that area I can not imagine that Zardari did not know he was right there....IN PAKISTAN. Ill admit since I got a semi-real job I have not had the time to follow the news as I effortlessly make money so I don't know much about what the middle east looks like right now, but I imagine that Pakistan is still scared that there respective neighboring countries are going to attempt to take over just as always and because of such paranoia the president would know when a person such as OBL is in Pakistan unless he was not as big a threat to taking control of the nuclear weapons as we make him out to be I imagine they would have turned him over a long time ago, but no they found the Boogeyman in Pakistan.

 

[[BDS] Fog]

but im focusing on the fact that the middles east is on fire and being taken over by muslim extremists who beat american journalists and rape woman in there "peaceful youth protests" in tunisia and eqypt and now we are supplying and aiding rebebls in libya who may be connected to terrorist groups. OBL is dead and thats great but we have much bigger problems.

You're channelling the fear, Killer.  "Muslim extermists."  Whatever.  Lara Logan was much more likely raped by President Mubarak's thugs.  But, hey,  be scared.

That's what this is all about: keeping Americans scared.   But don't worry, the Mommy state will keep you safe from those bogeymen, just as long as you allow the Mommy state to do whatever it wants to whoever it wants whenever it wants.  Americans really are pussies.  To think we fear democracy.  The Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves.

[[BDS] Fog]

And by the way, the celebrations over OBL didn't make Americans pussies.  They've been pussies for a long time, since at least allowing themselves to be duped into supporting the Iraq War because they feared the smoking gun might be a mushroom cloud, which was complete hogwash at the time, and anybody with a brain knew it. 

Afghanistan was righteous.  Iraq was not.

And Americans are stupid, too.  OBL's death is not a symbol of the end of the terror of 9/11 but of its renewal.  Expect Obama to do what Dubya did and use terror "alerts" for political advantage.  The biggest terrorist since 9/11 has been the American government, who has constantly used terrorism to manufacture consent to what can only be viewed as evil (e.g., torture, wars of conquest, etc.)

[[BDS]-Ole Man Rivers]

I don't believe in god, it was a figure of speech. I just wander what kind or kinds of fish ate his sorry ass..   

[[BDS] Kagenin]

It sucks to realize it, but every President, especially everyone since Carter, has swung to the right of what they campaigned themselves to be.  Reagan was an awful b-movie actor with the early signs of Alzheimer's.  Bush I was a CIA thug, and ran things like Putin is running Russia now - cronyism being the main rule of the land.  Clinton at least seemed like he wanted to do good, but history will likely be unkind to him for repealing Glass-Steagal, despite being president during one of the US's strongest economic expansions.

I get that you fear Obama is going to be just as bad for our international policy as the Bushes were, Fog.  Even the Clinton administration had it's mistakes with counter-terrorism (mistakenly bombing an aspirin factory had to be quite the headache).  But Obama has already done a lot of shit that Bush wouldn't do, like SCHIP and the Lily Ledbetter law.  Bush wouldn't sign SCHIP because he said, practically verbatim, that it would insure too many children from low-income households.  I have no idea what "compassionate conservatism" is after hearing that.  And Obama couldn't sign that bill fast enough when he got into office.

So it pains me to hear you liken him to Bush.  I understand it, but I'm still proud of my president.  You work with the hand your dealt, and the american public seemed to think that taking away cards from him was the best thing in '10.  Personally, I think if we put more progressives in office, we'd see better legislation, and a better tone of discussion in congress.  But there seems to be no shortage of people who make less than $250k/year and still think that voting for conservatives will actually help them stop being poor.  But you already said Americans are stupid, that's easily proven by looking at voting trends and average education levels across  all industrialized nations.  The last 30 years have seen the largest chunk of wealth be moved from the poor the the rich, ever.  The only thing trickle-down economics has proven is that you can't expect the private sector to do the right thing without some oversight, preferably along the lines of a gun to the head.

Afghanistan was a good idea, on paper.  In reality, the rugged terrain is inhospitable to attacking forces, that's why the Russians quit invading in the 80s (that and we armed the local populace).  An enemy with no uniform and no formal military title cannot be easily identified, but I'm willing to bet you already had read the recent Rolling Stone article about rogue US troops slaughtering innocent civilians just for the lulz.

Iraq was a royal fuck-up from the start.  Saddam wasn't allowing al-Queda to operate within his borders - he hated bin Laden, viewed him as a murderous terrorist, and probably even had an inferiority complex about "Osama" being such a popular birth name in the Muslim world (After all, the way Bush I mispronounced his name, he was actually calling him "shoe-shiner").  Likewise, OBL, the son of a wealthy oil merchant, hated Saddam for being a communist dictator.  Neither would want to do with the other, let alone be beholden to them for anything.

And that is Kagenin's 30-some-odd years of American history.  As a whole, I'm rather ashamed of what our nation has done in my lifetime, but I blame the conservatives who have held the power for nearly all of it.  But I'm still proud of what my president has accomplished, even before all this.  Al Franken said it best - Conservatives love America like they love their mommy - everything mommy says and does is good, and anyone who says otherwise is bad.  Liberals, on the other hand, have a much more mature affection for their country - we take the good with the bad, and hope for something better tomorrow.

[[BDS]-Ole Man Rivers]

A hundred yrs from now we will have some funkin imbred sibling of his sorry ass wanting to kill us too.  time for a glass bowl..                                                   

[[BDS] Fog]

I get that you fear Obama is going to be just as bad for our international policy as the Bushes were, Fog. 

Actually, I could care less about international policy.  I don't live internationally, although I travel there from time to time.

What I'm concerned about is the continued surrender of our Constitutionally protected rights in an effort to be completely safe from a threat to life that is relatively miniscule compared to commuting to work every day.  This is why I view most Americans as big flabby pussies that will flap in a strong breeze: you motherfuckers can never be completely safe from anything. You have a much larger chance of being killed in a car accident than by a terrorist attack, and most Americans live in shithole towns that no terrorist has even heard of, so it's unlikely they'll think to attack it and its obese inhabitants.  But people like that fear for their lives and hate the "terrorists" for making them fearful, all the while failing to realize that it is the Washington establishment that is communicating the message that makes them fearful.

Obama is no different than Bush, and his actions prove it.  He will continue playing on the fears of the majority American pussy until there is no America.  Sometimes, playing on those fears means making you feel good about getting a bad guy, but remember, there are now even more bad guys who want to get you because we got the last one.  The whole scenario is absurd, but the American pussy laps it up like a giant tube of KY.

[[BDS] Fog]

I don't believe in god, it was a figure of speech. I just wander what kind or kinds of fish ate his sorry ass..   

I don't believe in god, either.  I also don't care what kind of fish ate his ass or any part of him.  OBL is irrelevant and has been for years.  The fact that you spend so much time thinking about him these days demonstrates the power of old memories that can be exercised to remind people to fear.  The whole point of reminding you about the irrelevant and largerly forgotten OBL is to remind you of your fear.  You wouldn't be so excited by news of OBL's death if you hadn't feared and, therefore, hated him so much.  Congratulations, you're safe.  Except for all the new terrorists who want to kill you now because OBL is dead.  (Your latest comment shows that you've already embraced your inner pussy; you will never be 100% safe from death, so stop giving up your life and heritage as an American to secure that fantasy.)

[[BDS] Doc]

whole scenario is absurd, but the American pussy laps it up like a giant tube of KY.

should I be worried that this arouses me?

[[BDS] Fog]

whole scenario is absurd, but the American pussy laps it up like a giant tube of KY.

should I be worried that this arouses me?

No.  You should be worried if you get aroused by the image of a pussy that flaps in the slightest of breezes (unless you dream of being a human tampon or can't get laid because your dick is WAY too big).  Thanks for the levity. 

[[BDS]-Ole Man Rivers]

did I say something to piss you off Fog? It sure seems by your words that I did. I'm not a pussy and can't remember being scared by no one accept for my Mom when my middle name was yelled out. You do have a good choice of words.. I bet if u stood your silly ass in the middle of a public facility and said this shit your face would not look the same when you left..